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Press TV has conducted an interview with Wayne Madsen, a former NSA officer, from Florida, about claims that the CIA recruited agents to infiltrate German ministries, including German foreign intelligence.

Press TV: Looking at how the US is spying on friends and foes alike, would you say that in an age where information is power the US is justified in doing so or would you say this is simple paranoia?

Madsen: The United States is acting much like the Soviet Union did during the Cold War when the Soviet KGB not only spied on the NATO countries of the US, West Germany, Britain, but also its Warsaw Pact allies, it often spied against Poland against Hungary against Czechoslovakia and others of its allies.

So we’ve basically taken over that role where now the CIA is talking about Germany becoming a hostile territory for espionage; they may move the bulk of their operations to Warsaw or Prague. Well, that’s exactly from where the KGB targeted West Germany and other NATO countries, from Warsaw and Prague. And now it seems the US will use the Poles and the Czechs to spy on the Germans.

We’ve (US, CIA) had a relationship with German intelligence – and I think that’s a scandal that hasn’t come out, how many of these spies are known to the German intelligence and I think many of them are known. Angela Merkel wants to live in a dream world and say she’s shocked by all these revelations.

What the B&D and her own foreign minister wants to say is OK, Mr. Steinmeier (German foreign minister) he seems to be very much in tune with the CIA spying, he was all friendly with John Kerry in Vienna.

I really think that Merkel is showing that she’s always shocked like the inspector in the movie Casablanca was shocked to find out there was gambling going on in Rick’s café.

I think she’s a phony, I think she’s a fake and I think that Germany needs an actual pro-German Chancellor and not a pro-American chancellor to steer an independent foreign policy and stop the CIA spying once and for all.

Press TV: When you do a cost-benefit analysis... is the spying worth it for the US to put the strain on US/German ties?

Madsen: No it’s not worth it. The US wants to pretend like it’s the bully in Europe to keep these countries like Germany in tow.

Germany’s future isn’t with the United States obviously with Russia and now that the BRICS countries are organizing their own bank, this is a huge emerging market for Germany and Germany needs to decides whether it wants to be in the 21st century of play these Cold War games with the United States of the 20th century.